dlb92 Posted January 2, 2015 at 11:58 PM Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 at 11:58 PM I figured at 10 cents /kwh it will be more cost effective to stop charging and only use gas when gas drops to $1.50. I get about 42mpg on gas and about 24 miles on a battery charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted January 3, 2015 at 01:07 AM Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 at 01:07 AM It takes about 7 kWh of electricity to fully charge the HVB at a cost of about $0.70 at 10 cents / kWh. It would require 24/42 = 0.57 gallons of gas to go 24 miles (the range of the HVB). The price of gas would have to drop below $0.70/0.57 = $1.23 / gallon for gas to be cheaper. In my case, the electric cost is 6 cents / kWh and gas would have to drop to $0.74 / gallon. Rexracer and Hybridbear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted January 3, 2015 at 08:07 PM Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 at 08:07 PM (edited) I doubt that will happen :-) For my calc. I was estimating 75 cents a charge after tax and sometime I step on the pedal too much and don't get 24 miles. Edited January 3, 2015 at 08:09 PM by dlb92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted January 3, 2015 at 09:20 PM Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 at 09:20 PM The lowest I have ever paid for a gallon of gasoline is $0.27. Of course it had lead in it. ;) Rexracer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energized Posted January 3, 2015 at 09:50 PM Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 at 09:50 PM With electricty at greater than $.30/kWh, gasoline wins out by a big margin for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjam Posted January 4, 2015 at 02:34 AM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 02:34 AM I paid $1.87 today when I filled up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted January 4, 2015 at 05:48 AM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 05:48 AM The lowest I have ever paid for a gallon of gasoline is $0.27. Murphy..., are you showing your age?? ;) -=>Raja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted January 4, 2015 at 05:55 AM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 05:55 AM (edited) The math.... So if you guys say you get 42mpg on gas, 24 miles / 42 = 0.57 gallons of gas to get that far. Gas here is $2.35 a gallon. So 0.57 x $2.35 = $1.34 This is saying $1.34 of gas to drive 24 miles. If it takes 8kwh to fill up the Cmax, then the breakeven price would be $1.34 / 8 = 0.1675 Hate to say it but cost of electric here USED to be 0.1666 per kwh including all the fees and transmission costs. 0.10 per kwh plus about 6 cents and change for all the other fees. Since November its gone up 37%. My only saving grace is that I have solar panels, and also that gas usage causes more wear and tear on the engine parts and oil replacement so there is more cost then just the burning of the gas. Interesting analogy... -=>Raja. Edited January 4, 2015 at 05:56 AM by rbort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted January 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM (edited) It requires about 7 kWh to charge the HVB using a 240 V charger. You can save 1 kWh using a 240 V charger vs. the 120 V charger. My electric company offers EV discounts if you have a separately metered circuit for charging the car. The program rates vary from $0.04 to $0.10 / kWh depending on the program and time of day. Edited January 4, 2015 at 11:59 AM by larryh Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexracer Posted January 5, 2015 at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 at 04:10 PM So when its cold (not a huge problem here in the Pacific Northwest), I show 13 mile range with the heater on. I also am paying $.075 per KW, and I don't drain completely, so assuming a 7kWh charge. 13miles / 42mpg = 0.3095 gallons , Gas is 2.129 x .03095 gallons = $0.65897 cost to drive 13 miles on gas@ $.075* 7kWh = $.525 to drive the same distance on electric. So still cheaper to use electric, and like Raja said, less wear/tear on the car, but actually doing the math does show me not to be so worried about running the ICE when needed. I guess I don't have the excuse to make my wife freeze in my car "NO we are not running the heater, we can't afford those luxuries!!!" ;-) Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted January 5, 2015 at 09:41 PM Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 at 09:41 PM Note that cold weather reduces both EV range and mpg. So for a fair comparison, the mpg should be less than 42 mpg. Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted January 6, 2015 at 01:30 AM Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 at 01:30 AM Another benefit of sitting in the cold, you burn more calories to generate heat. Its a win win as you can spend the savings on more food that you enjoy :) -=>Raja. Rexracer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexracer Posted January 6, 2015 at 03:34 PM Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 at 03:34 PM Another benefit of sitting in the cold, you burn more calories to generate heat. Its a win win as you can spend the savings on more food that you enjoy :) -=>Raja. I don't think my pregnant wife is going to buy into this line of thinking... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted January 6, 2015 at 10:47 PM Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 at 10:47 PM I don't think my pregnant wife is going to buy into this line of thinking... ;-)lol Rexracer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcheesehead Posted January 9, 2015 at 01:24 AM Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 at 01:24 AM I figure at $2.00 I break even. I pay about $0.14/kwh, so it's about $1.00 to fill up the battery and I get about 20 miles out of it. 40 mpg on gas means about 1/2 gallon = 1 charge. And gas is under $2.00/gal here now. :( I guess that's a good thing, and I'll keep charging the car at home, but it's no longer saving me money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhynri Posted January 12, 2015 at 04:00 PM Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 at 04:00 PM I charge the car because I like being a ninja and creeping around quietly. I also like the electric drive for driving in town. Also, f@#$ gas! I hate getting out of my car in -10F to fuel up! The "savings" really weren't in consideration. :flirt: I'm just biding time until I get a Tesla and blow doors off people. meyersnole, Rexracer and dlb92 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energized Posted January 14, 2015 at 02:44 AM Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 at 02:44 AM I did my entire commute today in EV Later and got 48.9 mpg. During lunch I used EV Now to travel a couple miles without starting the engine. Love the flexibility of the Energi and the ability to respond to flucuating energy prices. HotLap and Rhynri 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLap Posted January 15, 2015 at 07:04 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 at 07:04 PM Plus, (unless you are in a heavy coal burning for electrical energy area), you are doing the environment good by emitting less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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