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#1 OFFLINE   spirilis

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 10:18 AM

Hi folks-

 

Newbie here looking to buy a 2017 Energi possibly to replace one of our old beaters.  I have just begun wrapping my head around the Energi and what it has to offer and I'm curious, for someone who does predominantly highway driving (say 44 miles each way with option to charge at home and at the destination), what advantages do charging the HVB have to offer over using a standard Fusion Hybrid?

 

I'm assuming a charged HVB can supplement the gasoline motor well enough that it improves the average fuel economy (so does it lean on the electric motor more than the Hybrid version does?), but are there other tangible improvements such as increase in available torque/horsepower with a charged HVB vs. a depleted (hybrid-mode-only) HVB?

 

I noticed the official specs from Ford ( http://www.ford.com/...sion-energi-se/) mention "  188 (195 in Charge-Depletion Mode) " and is the 195HP figure only available when the HVB is charged up?

 

I'm also aware that you can run the heater or A/C with the car plugged in, that seems like an obvious advantage of the Energi model.

 

Thank you for your time & thoughts!

-Eric










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#2 OFFLINE   openair

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 12:36 PM

The difference between the hybrid and energi is that the energi can drive on electricity only for up to 19 miles.
The 195hp should be available when running as either a hybrid (Ev range depleted) or Ev later and there is sufficient charge of the hybrid portion or Ev later window.

#3 OFFLINE   bdginmo

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:45 PM

I love that I can program the car to warm up before I leave for work in the winter. I will say this is far more effective with a 240v EVSE. So that's something to keep in mind.


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#4 OFFLINE   MarkK

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:41 AM

Eric,

 

Let's say your commute was 40 miles, and let's say you can get 20 miles on electric only (mine is saying 22 now). You charge the car at home, then when you drive to work, it goes half way on electric only. Then you do the reverse, charging at work, driving home, half way on electric only again. Say the gas only (hybrid) gets 40 mpg, you will have gone 80 miles, and have gotten 80 mpg (used one gallon of gas). (In your real case, the number might be ~75 mpg.) Electric costs something, depending where you charge, but generally much less than gas (and sometimes free to you).

 

My 2017, with me now for most of a month, is not used to commute. I do a lot of short trips, and most of my charging is at the parking deck at my gym, at a free high speed charger. I'm getting about 120 mpg - so for about 500 miles, I've used about 4 gallons of gas. It was 230 mpg until I took it on a couple of longer drives.

 

One downside of the car which does not matter to me, since my wife has a car with an excellent trunk for trips: The trunk is very small. I can fit my golf clubs though, but nothing more, for instance. Or one suitcase. Otherwise, the fit and finish is generally very good, although I've found one small 'defect' which I doubt anyone else would see. It is very attractive, it handles well, and it is very quiet.

 

Mark



#5 OFFLINE   muzicman61

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 01:18 PM

Eric,

 

I drive about 100 miles round trip a day, 4 days a week.  I plug in every night.  Our average cost of electricity per KWH is about 2 cents.  So it costs me roughly 12 cents to charge up and that gets me about 21 miles.  Actually, with regen braking I get about 25.  I do not have an option to charge at work.  On the weekends (Fri/Sat/Sun), I generally drive short trips and use EV only.  I went from filling up every three days in my Focus with about 11 gallons of gas, which got around 32mpg to filling up every two weeks and taking about 13 gallons of gas.  With the FFTE I'm averaging about 55 combined mpg.  So do the math anyway you like it but the FFTE was well worth it.  And once I retire it will be even more cost effective.

 

Rob


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#6 OFFLINE   rbort

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:34 PM

Only 2 cents per kwh for electricity, wow, they are giving it away in IL!!

 

-=>Raja.



#7 OFFLINE   muzicman61

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 05:40 AM

Yah but they are raping us with the recent 32% state tax increase.  Not to mention our outrageous property taxes.  I'm out of here when I retire.


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#8 OFFLINE   jsamp

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 12:34 PM

Eric,

  I don't know if you've bought yet, but it sounds to me like you would do better with a Hybrid rather than an Energi.  You say your commute is 44 miles and mostly Highway speeds.  Charging twice a day and driving at highway speeds is a fast way to degrade the HV battery on an Energi.  Check out some of the posts in the Battery/Charging Forum. 

  You can still get 40-45 MPG in a Hybrid which will cost you about a gallon of gas each way on your commute.

 

My 2ยข.



#9 OFFLINE   My14Energi

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:53 PM

Not true. Driving highway speeds with zero HVB and just hybrid result in around 38 mpg, the same exact drive with the extra 19/20 miles of EV gets me 63 mpg. Who keeps a Fusion for more than 4-5 years anyway. These Energi's are a disposable car.

#10 OFFLINE   longbeachev

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:36 AM

Eric,

I possibly have a similar drive so here is my data:

43 miles commute each way, start with full charge at both home and work.

Some elevation gain on the way to work.

Maintain 76 mph for about 3/4 of the trip, some slowdowns along the way.

About 2 miles of 40mph at end of both home and work until I get to the highway.

Drive conservatively but not hypermiling.

Currently getting 72mpg with 4,000 miles on the odometer.

Average about 23 miles of EV (including regen).

Jason



#11 OFFLINE   jsamp

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:59 AM

Not true. Driving highway speeds with zero HVB and just hybrid result in around 38 mpg, the same exact drive with the extra 19/20 miles of EV gets me 63 mpg. Who keeps a Fusion for more than 4-5 years anyway. These Energi's are a disposable car.

"Not true" for you.  I keep my cars for a long time.  I get 43-46 when my HVB is empty.  The 2017 Fusion Hybrid is rated 43/41/42 combined.  Your situation doesn't apply to everyone.  I was basing my input on his situation.  Yes, you can always get better mileage with an Energi using the HVB, but there are drawbacks to that as well (cost, battery life).


Edited by jsamp, 20 September 2017 - 08:41 PM.









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