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Poll: What's your next car? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

What are you buying as your next car after the Fusion Energi?

  1. Another Fusion Energi (4 votes [12.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.90%

  2. Another Ford EV (C-Max Energi or Focus Electric) (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  3. Nissan Leaf (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  4. BMW i3 (or i8) (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  5. Nissan Leaf (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  6. Tesla (Model S, 3, or X) (9 votes [29.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.03%

  7. Other BEV (6 votes [19.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

  8. Other PHEV (4 votes [12.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.90%

  9. I'm going back to a gasser (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

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#21 OFFLINE   4cylinder

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 10:02 AM

I only have the 13 FFH, but am looking at getting a new or slightly used FFHE.

What I see are (new) 17's for very close to the cost of 18's

But I'm not sure if there is an advantage to an 18 over a 17.  Especially if the cost difference is minimal.

 

as far as features, I know I don't want the SE, so a Platinum or Titanium would be what I'd get.

 

This is not going to happen till summer anyway, so I'm sure the deals will happen, especially if the 19's are coming and the 18's price comes way down to get rid of them.  8)

 

 

No equipment differences between the '18s and '17s afaik. Maybe some color options were added or removed at best.

 

The '19s make some driver assist tech standard on all models, but add nothing that isn't already available on the '17s and '18s. The Energi version gets a slightly denser battery pack that increases its range to 25 miles - but if you drive like a grandma and are very conservative about climate control usage, you can easily exceed that with even the '13-'16 Energis.

 

Go with a '17 and negotiate hard. If they don't budge and the '18 is just a few hundred more, take the '18 instead. 

 

The Platinum was discontinued for 2019 btw - grab a remaining '17 or '18 Platinum while you can!


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#22 OFFLINE   muzicman61

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 10:36 AM

Is there any difference between a Platinum and a fully loaded Titanium?


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#23 OFFLINE   4cylinder

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 04:59 PM

Is there any difference between a Platinum and a fully loaded Titanium?

 

The dashboard has more leather on it, and the seats use Nappa leather which is of higher quality. The steering wheel position is also power adjustable. However the Nappa leather only comes in one color. When it comes to tech, the Platinum is identical to a loaded Titanium.



#24 OFFLINE   Blastphemy

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:11 AM

 

What did you or will you buy after the Fusion Energi? 

 

Whatever I buy, it sure as heck won't be a Ford. Too many problems with my FFE and too little responsiveness from Ford. Not to mention 21 EV-almost miles is barely worth it when there are so many better choices out there.

 

I'm definitely interested in the Jaguar i-Pace coming later this year.



#25 OFFLINE   Timewellspent

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:57 AM

Whatever I buy, it sure as heck won't be a Ford. Too many problems with my FFE and too little responsiveness from Ford. Not to mention 21 EV-almost miles is barely worth it when there are so many better choices out there.

 

I'm definitely interested in the Jaguar i-Pace coming later this year.

 

What better choices are out there that look like a car and not a roller skate and is at the price point of the Fusion Energi? 


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#26 OFFLINE   Blastphemy

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 10:58 AM

Fusion Energi starts at $31,400 and tops out at around $42,100. So most of the following would fit your criteria for "at the price point" (depending on configuration). As for not looking like a "roller skate," I assume you mean cars like the Chevy Volt, Toyota Prius Prime, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, and BMW i3, so I won't include those vehicles in the list.

 

Off the top of my head, I can think of the following:

  • Tesla Model 3 (if you can even get one this year)
  • Honda Clarity PHEV or BEV
  • Kia Optima PHEV
  • Hyundai Sonata PHEV
  • Hyundai IONIQ PHEV or EV
  • BMW 330e
  • Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
  • Audi A3 Sportback eTron
  • Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid

Of course, if you're like me and only bought the Ford because the Volt was too small and the Tesla Model S was too expensive (meaning I could have afforded more, but couldn't find a plug-in that met my needs for a reasonable price), there are other cars:

  • Cadillac CT6 Plug-in (but note this doesn't qualify for HOV stickers in CA or the state rebate, despite having 31 electric miles)
  • BMW 530e
  • BMW X5 xDrive40e
  • Mercedes-Benz C350e
  • Jaguar i-Pace
  • Volvo XC60 PHEV
  • Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV
  • Volvo S90 T8 PHEV
  • Mercedes-Benz GLE 550e
  • Porsche Cayenne S-E

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#27 OFFLINE   4cylinder

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:23 AM

I saw the BMW 530e at the 2018 NAIAS - they even showed off a wireless charging pad for the car itself (you literally drive on top of it to charge, similar to charging a phone wirelessly). 

 

If it were reliable and had more than 15 miles of EV range, it would be my ideal car. 

 

The GLE 550e's existence is head-scratching - it gets about 8 miles of EV range...



#28 OFFLINE   Sandroad

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 06:04 AM

I now have a more definitive answer than I previously posted to the question of next car. I just bought a Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid Touring. We liked our ’17 FFE, even with it’s limited trunk space and low roof line, for the first year of our ownership. We purchased it used and traded it in at a reasonable price, so we absorbed a little less than $4000 in depreciation over 12 months. After attending the Detroit Auto Show in January to check out PHEVs, we continued to look around a bit, but we were originally planning to keep the FFE through the end of the factory warranty a year from now. However, 4 precipitating events within just a couple of weeks of each other made us look harder at other vehicles and move more quickly. 

 

First, the ’17 Ford Fusion landed on Consumer Reports worst reliable vehicle list in their annual auto issue, with much worse than average reliability. Not too bad, but omen number 1.

 

Second, that same week, we received the notice for the steering wheel recall and, whether related or not to that repair, we also lost the nav/audio computer. Those repairs took 2 trips to the dealer and a total of 4 days there. Not too bad, but omen number 2.

 

Third, Ford announced they are discontinuing the Fusion. That negatively affects resale value and the effect is greater the longer a car model is obsolete. Not too bad, but omen number 3.

 

Fourth, for some reason our FFE has been significantly increasing the times it’s running the engine for system performance (despite no HVAC use this time of year, no extra acceleration, and relatively fresh gas). That’s a new behavior which is likely ok, but somewhat defeats the purpose of a PHEV. Not too bad, but omen number 4. 

 

So, we we are giving the Clarity a try. Lots of risk and unknowns in that decision, but we like the MUCH larger interior/trunk space and the fact the Clarity has more than double the EV miles. Our solar charging station will be working hard to keep up with the Clarity’s big battery!


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#29 OFFLINE   PJFW8

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 03:23 PM

I got my Tesla Model 3 6 weeks ago. Fabulous and flawless so far, but at $56,000 ($48,500 with tax credit) it is not cheap! My 2016 Fusion lease goes back next month. It was a really great car. It replaced a CMax Energi. I will miss Ford, but it is Ford who hooked me on plug-in driving. Thanks to all on this and the CMax forum for their help and advice!Attached File  Tesla Delivery.JPG   107.82KB   0 downloads


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#30 OFFLINE   jasper7821

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 04:34 PM

My Fusion lease is up in 3 months. I have a Model 3 reservation (line waiter since day 1) but cannot afford the LR version and hoping to get the SR version by July next year when the credit gets cut in half again before it goes to $1,875.
Congratulations on the M3, so jealous. That’s my dream car.
Problem is I’m already $4,000 over in mileage so I’m probably just going to buy the car (for more than it’s worth) when the lease is due. I’ve always leased cars and love it, just a major life change occurred while having this lease and added more than 30k miles to what my normal would have been.
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#31 OFFLINE   Trades46

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Posted 25 August 2018 - 08:25 PM

My family now has two PHEV - a 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (father's car) and the 2018 Fusion Energi Titanium (mother's car). I drive whatever is available when I have to go to work.

 

Having lived with an EV, once I save up enough myself I'm pretty confident that I would go for a BEV - likely the upcoming 2019 Leaf e-plus (with the actively cooled 60 kWh LG battery pack) or Kia Niro EV (Kia sibling of the highly anticipated Hyundai Kona EV) simply because I prefer Kia's styling & design over Hyundai's.

 

This may not be a popular opinion, but I won't touch a Tesla with a 10ft pole - the company is a financial disaster waiting to happen, their cars are terribly unreliable, the build quality atrocious & Elon Musk just comes off to me as a narcissistic dick more than the genius that many claims that he is.



#32 OFFLINE   Russael

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 07:41 AM

I'd happily take a 10 foot pole to bring a Tesla closer to me. :)  I know Tesla's early model S has its fair share of issues, but the later ones don't seem to have many complaints.  And the complaints that do crop up are usually quick and simple annoyances like squeaks and rattles... not so much of a computer needing replacement.  I know the very early S's had a lot of issues with the drivetrain.  Not so much the motor, but bearings wearing out prematurely.  I'd LOVE to get a 2015 or newer Model S, but those are still prohibitively expensive for me at this time.

 

My fiancee's 2012 Ford Focus got totaled in a t-bone accident earlier this month (she got hit square on in the drivers side front and back doors... it was literally the definition of what an NHTSA t-bone accident looks like).  Unfortunately for us, the timing of the accident is bad.  We are not ready to invest in another car at this time as I'm saving for a new home.  So, for the time being, the Fusion Energi is now her car and I'm back to 1999 with my Expedition.  Glad I don't drive much and I work from home.

 

It's a LOT less expensive to insure 2 cars instead of 3, plus I don't have a 3 car garage.  So upgraded my insurance to broad collision and got rental insurance.  Michigan insurance is psychotic - the mayor of Detroit is actually suing the state as they now think Michigan auto insurance is unconstitutional and wildly unaffordable due to the "Medical Benefits for Life"...  To insure a vehicle within the city limits of Detroit, you can expect to pay 5,000+ a year for ONE vehicle.  For the 3 I had, it was running me 3500+, but I'm not in Detroit City.  I am in the same county though.  Those of you who don't live in Michigan, enjoy your low insurance rates.  LOL


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