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2019 Energi Lease vs. Buy


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#1 OFFLINE   Spartyof83

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:59 AM

I'm considering the 2019 Energi but haven't decided if I want to buy or lease. The lease offers on the Ford Website where you can build your Energi as you'd like it says there are $10,007 worth of incentives if you lease vs. $1,000 if you buy. Granted, I believe they give you the Federal Tax Credit for the Plug in, which is worth around $4,500 I am guessing, but what about the balance? Why so much more of an incentive to lease vs. buy? 

 

A sub topic.....if I do indeed choose to buy, is this a car that I can legitimately keep for say, 10 years without major issues?

 

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#2 OFFLINE   RickEnergi

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 08:15 AM

We leased our 2018 for the exact reason you specify.  I suspect you are not looking at the buying incentives properly though.  I see $1,500 for retail, the dealer can print a Smart Vincent report showing all rebates you qualify for, which include a higher rebate if you take the normal (non-subsidized) finance rate, which you can then pay off days later (and keep the rebate).  The tax credit is $4,607 I believe.  There are other fees incurred with leasing that you don't incur if you buy.

 

In my analysis (A-Plan), I will be saving close to $2,000 by leasing vs. buying, assuming at the end of the lease I purchase the vehicle.  If it's worth more than the residual value and I sell it, then in fact I will make more money.  The rebate for purchase at that time was $3,000 if I recall properly, so if yours is that much lower than leasing is even more attractive.  

 

Can you keep this for 10 years?  Maybe.  However, you'll find that well before 10 years this car's PHEV capabilities will be a joke as compared to new vehicles on the market (my opinion).  We kept our 2010 Fusion Hybrid for 9 years, selling it to buy this vehicle.  Repairs were very minor (rear brakes) in addition to oil changes and tire rotations/replacements.  Just before we sold it, it had a major suspension problem, possibly brought on by Michigan potholes, that was nearly $2,000.  I would expect the battery would have lost considerable capacity near 10 years.  

 

I plan on keeping ours for 3 years, then buying a hybrid / PHEV SUV for our retirement.  



#3 OFFLINE   muzicman61

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 09:44 AM

My personal opinion is leasing a vehicle is never a good idea.  But then I'm the type of guy who always pays cash for my vehicles.


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#4 OFFLINE   RickEnergi

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:39 AM

My personal opinion is leasing a vehicle is never a good idea.  But then I'm the type of guy who always pays cash for my vehicles.

 

Which sometimes is a bad financial decision.

 

A better financial decision is often to take the market (non-discounted) rate for a loan from Ford Credit, with the accompanying rebate ($500 - $1,500), and then pay off the loan days later.  



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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:39 PM

I plan on keeping ours for 3 years, then buying a hybrid / PHEV SUV for our retirement.  

 

This article says the 2020 Explorer Hybrid will have a 1.5 kWh "liquid-cooled battery pack being built into the chassis below the second-row seats."



#6 OFFLINE   Spartyof83

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:45 PM

I think for the most part, Ford is having a really hard time selling the Energi, and between Ford's incentives and the Federal Tax Credit, the Energi is actually a better value than the Hybrid model. Having owned a 2013 Energi Titanium since its inception, I see very little real difference in the upcoming 2019 model and the one I own except for some added tech and some additional (very few) e-miles and yes, the same amount of space in the trunk.

 

One last question....is this battery air or liquid cooled? Anyone know?



#7 OFFLINE   murphy

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:13 PM

The Energi battery is air cooled.  The air intake is on the package shelf behind the rear seats.  Don't put anything on the shelf that could block it.


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#8 OFFLINE   RickEnergi

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 04:57 AM

I think for the most part, Ford is having a really hard time selling the Energi, and between Ford's incentives and the Federal Tax Credit, the Energi is actually a better value than the Hybrid model.

 

There is no analysis really needed.  The Energi costs less than the Hybrid when all rebates (leasing) or rebates and tax credits (buying) are included.  Therefore, if the trunk space is acceptable, there is literally no reason to buy the Hybrid.

 

My mother is in the process of buying the Hybrid.  She could care less about MPG, or the environment, and in reality about how much she spends.  But since I have a heavy hand in the buying process, she's getting a Hybrid.  The trunk space on the Energi is a deal-breaker to her.



#9 OFFLINE   muzicman61

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:21 AM

Which sometimes is a bad financial decision.

 

A better financial decision is often to take the market (non-discounted) rate for a loan from Ford Credit, with the accompanying rebate ($500 - $1,500), and then pay off the loan days later.  

 

A better financial decision is not to buy new.  I typically buy Dealer execs with very low mileage and save thousands.


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#10 OFFLINE   Energi_916

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 08:47 AM

 Having owned a 2013 Energi Titanium since its inception, I see very little real difference in the upcoming 2019 model and the one I own except for some added tech and some additional (very few) e-miles and yes, the same amount of space in the trunk.

 

From reading a few articles I recall they have been adding standard options that used to be available as extras in the Titanium as the years go by. Is that the case? have not really paid attention.  

 

And the battery, it could be the same battery capacity but maybe they have just modified what can be accessed for EV mode.  Ho

 

 

A better financial decision is not to buy new.  I typically buy Dealer execs with very low mileage and save thousands.

 
what is considered a Dealer exec? How can you tell? 

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#11 OFFLINE   jsamp

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:47 AM

 

From reading a few articles I recall they have been adding standard options that used to be available as extras in the Titanium as the years go by. Is that the case? have not really paid attention.  

 

And the battery, it could be the same battery capacity but maybe they have just modified what can be accessed for EV mode.  Ho

 

 

 

Yes, they have pared down the options and made most things standard on the 'new' Titaniums.  This was mostly for cost reasons (less options to manage).

 

The 2019s have a 9.0kWh battery instead of the previous 7.6kWh.  The battery and individual cells are the exact same size, just the cells have ~20% more capacity due to improvements in chemistry.



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 12:42 PM

Yes, they have pared down the options and made most things standard on the 'new' Titaniums.  This was mostly for cost reasons (less options to manage).

 

The 2019s have a 9.0kWh battery instead of the previous 7.6kWh.  The battery and individual cells are the exact same size, just the cells have ~20% more capacity due to improvements in chemistry.

 

Nice!!

 

I wish the range was 46 miles.  :)

 

I will definitely consider moving up  in year once the time comes in a few years. 



#13 OFFLINE   4cylinder

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 09:33 AM

A better financial decision is not to buy new.  I typically buy Dealer execs with very low mileage and save thousands.

 

This. The savings are especially great with non-Japanese brands. Also, financing options for used cars tend to be less attractive than they are for brand new cars. If I were in the market for a brand new car, I might consider a lease/finance but for now I'm happy buying lightly used cars and running them into the ground. 

 

Btw, one sad bit of news for MY2019 Fusions - Active Park Assist is no longer offered except on the Sport V6 model. Although I don't use the feature often, it's the only way to get parking sensors in the front fascia (which I actually use often). Not a big deal but still disappointing.


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#14 OFFLINE   muzicman61

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 09:42 AM

Which sometimes is a bad financial decision.

 

A better financial decision is often to take the market (non-discounted) rate for a loan from Ford Credit, with the accompanying rebate ($500 - $1,500), and then pay off the loan days later.  

 

Well sure, but I'm still paying cash and not leasing.


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